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of scott walker and paul ryan, that could be a big surprise. i'm hugely interested in pennsylvania. that was not on the romney map initially. what's happened is after the debates, pennsylvania shot up. he's drawing gigantic crowds there, and that could be a big surprise. then one little one. it's only six votes, if i'm not mistaken, but he's doing very well in iowa. he's polling very well in iowa. i'm not a polling expert, lord knows, but i'll say this. romney could lose ohio. he could lose pennsylvania. and he could still win the election. >> how? >> the south. >> colorado and wisconsin. colorado and wisconsin. >> you don't think wisconsin is a given, though, because of paul ryan? of course, it's not a given in massachusetts either, is it? >> i'll tell you this, i don't think anything is a given. you know why i say that? i think the voter i.d. turnouts that are determining these polls are highly flawed this year. you had 2008 which was an outlier. if you decide democrats plus seven or democrats plus five based on 2008, what about 2004? what about 2000? what about 2010, for example
a little differently. mitt romney and paul ryan are good men. they're good leaders. i want to wish mitt, ann, paul, and janna and their families well. the american people have spoken. they've re-elected president obama, and they've again re-elected a republican majority in the house of representatives. if there's a mandate in yesterday's results, it's a mandate for us to find a way to work together on the solutions to the challenges that we all face as a nation. my message today is not one of confrontation but one of conviction. in the weeks and months ahead, we face a series of tremendous challenges and great opportunity. just weeks away from now looms the so-called fiscal cliff, a combination of automatic spending cuts and tax increases mandated by law. within months of the fiscal cliff, congress will be asked to raise the nation's debt ceiling. around the same time, legislation will be needed to keep the government running as a continuing resolution under which we're currently operating expires. amid all of these short-term hurdles, we face the greatest challenge of all. a massive de
put together and that people like paul ryan rejected back in 2010 would take taxes as a percentage of gdp from 18.5% during full employment, the average over the last 30 years, to 21%. that's a 2.5% of gdp tax increase or $5 trillion tax increase over the next decade. he tends not to mention that. add to that $1 trillion in limiting deductions -- >> okay, you're deep in the weeds here, grover. first of all, did alan simpson really leave a message on your voicemail? >> oh, several. rambling and long and inane. yes. >> all right. now, even john boehner and mitch mcconnell came out of that meeting in the white house and used the word revenue. it's on want table. they are acknowledging they will raise revenue. the only way i know to raise revenue is to raise taxes. i mean, does it sound to you like there's going to be a tax increase after all? >> no. if you remember, the comment that boehner and mitch mcconnell have made is they want revenue from economic growth. the best way to get revenue for the federal government is to grow the economy faster rather than slower. if you grow at 4% a
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